Sea Change —
Attitudes changes.
Cultural norms change.
Societies change.
Sometimes of their own accord, sometimes with a little help.
Sometimes you can see the change coming. It’s something natural, organic, that occurs when the ways of our antecedents no longer satisfy the needs of the contemporary generation. It’s almost as though an entire chunk of society develops a single mind and together we define what “normal” is.
Other changes need a little help gaining a foothold. The biggies like suffrage and civil and equal0 rights spring to mind, but remember, also, how sexual and physical abuse, or even eating disorders, were once considered statistically insignificant.
Society generally ignored the powerful impact these social aberrations had, let alone of the sheer volume of people these behaviors impact. Until the brute reality is exposed, society turns it’s eye away from uncomfortable subjects, thereby implicitly permitting dangerous behaviors to continue abated.
What is the turning point? What changes society from tacit approval to widespread intolerance of things like sexual abuse and eating disorders?
One word: education.
To me, activism is all about education. When you educate people, you help them understand why they should be as pissed off and motivated as you are. You provide them with a reason to add their voice to your own. And, as Elizebeth likes to say, Ever voice makes us louder.
Fat Acceptance is no different.
Our job is to educate the unaware masses that treating fat people like shit is unacceptable and, by every standard conceivable, counterproductive to the ultimate goal of improving society’s health and welfare.
But right now, the social norm says that fat people don’t need to be shielded from public humiliation, constant shaming and wanton cruelty because being fat is a choice and if we all just chose healthier lifestyles, then we could escape the torment of Fathood.
Even if fatness were a choice, as detailed in my my interview with Dr. Rebecca Puhl, Director of Research and Weight Stigma Initiatives at the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale University, the current atmosphere is neither conducive to weight loss nor healthy behaviors.
So, regardless of whether you view obesity as a choice or a genetic endowment, it is in the best interest of society to end hate speech against fat people for the simple reason that ANY hate speech directed at a particular group can have devastating consequences on members of said group.
My current focus, however, is specifically on hate speech directed at fat people and although you can find it anywhere in society and on the internet, there are very few places where it can be eradicated, literally, with the click of a button.
I’m talking about Facebook.
As many of you know, I began targeting Facebook fat hate groups after Definatalie related her experience being targeted by one particular group: There’s a weight limit on leggings & skinny jeans.
I can’t tell you how much Natalie kicks ass for standing up for herself and drawing attention to these asshats. Because it moved me, I began my initial assault on that group and, today, I’m proud to say that I made that group so uncomfortable and (dare I say) guilt-ridden, that it is pretty much a spam graveyard with the VERY sporadic “Hooray for skinny people” post.
As anyone who has read my blog a while knows, I can be one obnoxious jackass. And although I pissed off an unknown quantity of FA bloggers and readers during my time on the Fatosphere, it should hearten some people to know that I can use this power for good as well.
So, a short time later, Fat Nurse had a similar experience and I decided not only to wage a new guerrilla war on this new Eurotrash fat hating group, but also to create a new group to encourage Facebook to put an end to this once and for all. The group is called, Facebook, Please Stop Permitting Fat Hatred. If you haven’t already joined, please add your voice.
After a week of my harassment, I was booted from the fat hating group. So, I encouraged our members to create a Fatty Flood in order to inundate this group with a little shaming of our own. The results were fabulous!
You’ll notice that the last images I took were about four hours after the first fatty, Toni Dove, spoke up.
I was planning for a week-long campaign of harassment, but four hours later the site vanished.
POOF!
Like that, a group with over 70,000 members dedicated to fat hatred was gone.
People have credited me with this Fatty Day Miracle, but I cannot take credit for it nor account for it. This group has been reported to Facebook repeatedly to no avail. Through a series of probably coincidences, this group was eliminated shortly after we began our guerrilla campaign (which, in all honesty, was sort of a disappointment because I was looking forward to seeing how people confronted the fat haters).
However, I’m willing to take this as a sign that if this group can be eliminated, so can the countless others.
So, I did a quick search on Facebook to see just how pervasive fat hate groups are.
With ten groups per search page, I got to page 121-130 before I got tired of searching.
Out of 130 pages I found using the search term “fat,” FIFTY of them were clearly fat hate groups.
Some groups had HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of members.
It’s enough to make you want to resign from the human race.
The journalist in me requested a chance to take a crack at this, so I sent their press relations a series of innocuous questions to get a response:
How have Facebook Groups changed the way people interact?
How do you ensure appropriate content in Facebook Groups?
What do you have planned for Facebook Groups in the future?
What is the most innovative feature of Facebook Groups?
A representative of Facebook responded with a set of innocuous answers. So, I sent a followup:
Hello [FACEBOOK LADY],
Thank you so much for responding. I hope you don’t mind a quick followup.
Of interest to our readers is Facebook’s stance on hate speech. Currently, on your Statement of Rights and Responsibilities you have the following:
- SafetyWe do our best to keep Facebook safe, but we cannot guarantee it. We need your help to do that, which includes the following commitments:
- You will not send or otherwise post unauthorized commercial communications (such as spam) on Facebook.
- You will not collect users’ content or information, or otherwise access Facebook, using automated means (such as harvesting bots, robots, spiders, or scrapers) without our permission.
- You will not engage in unlawful multi-level marketing, such as a pyramid scheme, on Facebook.
- You will not upload viruses or other malicious code.
- You will not solicit login information or access an account belonging to someone else.
- You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user.
- You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.
- You will not develop or operate a third-party application containing alcohol-related or other mature content (including advertisements) without appropriate age-based restrictions.
- You will not offer any contest, giveaway, or sweepstakes (“promotion”) on Facebook without our prior written consent. If we consent, you take full responsibility for the promotion, and will follow our Promotions Guidelines and all applicable laws.
- You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory.
- You will not do anything that could disable, overburden, or impair the proper working of Facebook, such as a denial of service attack.
- You will not facilitate or encourage any violations of this Statement.
Our readers have reported that there are DOZENS of sites aimed specifically at insulting, degrading, dehumanizing and expressing hate toward fat women. Most of these have been reported multiple times over the past year with zero response from Facebook.
In my research, I have collected over 50 links to groups or pages whose sole purpose is to engage in fat hate speech, and I stopped LONG before I ran out of pages.
So, my question is, does Facebook consider insulting pages directed at fat people as hate speech? If so, why do these pages continue to exist in spite of Facebook’s policies? If you do not consider insulting pages directed at fat people as hate speech, why not?
If you would like a list of the links, just let me know.
Pretty straightforward. I knew I’d get blown off, but here’s the response I hadn’t expected.
Hi Shannon,
We take our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities very seriously and react quickly to reports of inappropriate content and behavior. Specifically, we’re sensitive to content that includes pornography, harassment of specific private individuals, direct statements of hate against protected groups of people, and actionable threats of violence. The goal of these policies is to strike a very delicate balance between giving people the freedom to express their opinions and viewpoints – even those that may be controversial to some – and maintaining a safe and trusted environment.
Best,
[FACEBOOK LADY]
Emphasis mine.
Go back and read the Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. Do you see anything about protected groups?
By “protected groups,” I assume she means federally protected classes. Currently, fatties are not a federally protected class. So, my initial response to her followed this line of thinking:
So, if I understand you correctly, groups which promote hate speech against fat people is not a violation of your Statement of Rights and Responsibilities, correct? Could you please confirm or deny this?
Because currently, fat people are not considered a protected group of people, and as far as I can tell, none of the other items you mentioned as “sensitive to content” apply.
Let me give you a few examples of just the titles of some of these groups:
- beautiful girls, all over the world, except you. fat bitch.
- If sex is such good exercise, why are there fat sluts?
- You’re not “thick”, you’re a fat-ass in denial
- I don’t hate you ’cause your fat, you’re fat because i hate you.
- Your mama’s so fat, even Dora couldn’t Explora
- “Do you ride Elephants in India?”…”No, do you ride fat people in America?
- i hate fat/ugly people that try to act bitchy. like no, your fat.
- Friends don’t let friends bang fat bitches
- I would carry you to the moon and back…LOL jk, your fat and i’d die
- Being Fat and Ugly
- we all know a fat slag who thinks their fit
- You’re wearing a tight clothes and you’re fat….that’s not good.
- SHUT UP AND GET NAKED. LOL jk… your fat
- HIT THE GYM FAT ASS !!!
If fat people were a protected class, or if comparable comments were made to a protected class, would these pages be removed from Facebook?
And one last question, there was a page titled SAVING THE PLANET FROM FAT GIRLS IN LEGGINS which was removed just yesterday. Could you provide any details as to the reasoning behind its removal?
Thank you,
Shannon
That night I began to thinking about the whole “protected groups” thing and I suddenly realized that I had forgotten something critical. Do you know what other groups is not federally protected?
Homosexuals and transgendered persons.
So, I sent a quick follow-up:
One more follow-up… if your policy does not cover groups who are not federally protected, then are hate speech groups against homosexuals and transgendered persons allowed to exist?
Thank you,
Shannon Russell
That was last Thursday and I still haven’t heard back from FACEBOOK LADY. I’m pretty sure I never will.
So, I’ll be sending a followup through the press contact area of Facebook and see if I can get some definitive answers.
In the meantime, I decided to see how gay hate speech compares to fat hate speech. I mean, we all know that gay hate is still widely acceptable in many corners of our country, let alone globally. Yet, do a search for the terms “gay,” “homosexual,” “homo,” “fag,” or “queer” and the closest you get to hate speech is the incredibly determined group of people who insist that Justin Bieber is gay.
So, what’s happening here? Have all the gay haters switched to fat hating instead? Was gay hatred just not satisfying any more? Or are gay haters so ostracized that they no longer feel comfortable with publicly expressing their contempt for gay people?
Something tells me this is not the case.
Something tells me that Facebook does respond to complaints of hate speech against homosexuals. So, I decided to experiment a bit.
Since creating a hate group means automatic expulsion from Facebook, I created a fake identity: Bob HomoHater.
Bob then created two groups: I Hate Gay People and Homosexuals are an Abomination.
Neither are true, of course, but the former was to test outright hate speech and the other to test religiously justified hate speech. I then reported them both to Facebook through my regular account.
I reported them on Friday and they are still active. So, either Bob HomoHater is the loneliest bigot or gay hate groups are tolerated by Facebook.
Either way, the parsing of language (Facebook only removes hate speech against protected groups) is an intolerable stance on an intolerable issue.
It should not matter whether a group is federally protected or not. Hate speech directed at a group is still hate speech. And Facebook provides a forum where a hundreds of thousands of people reinforce the belief that hatred and hostility is acceptable.
I believe in freedom of speech, but Facebook is a private corporation, not a public space. As such, they have the ability, and should have the duty, to regulate hate speech toward particular groups.
I will grant that they cannot outlaw each and every group with a hateful theme, but discernment and judgment should allow the moderators to determine which pages unfairly or excessively target particular social groups.
Freedom of speech is important, but freedom from harassment is vital.
In the coming days we’ll be rolling out Phase II of our plan to end fat hate speech, as well as gay hate speech, on Facebook. Stay tuned because we’re going to turn up the pressure and show Facebook just why their current policy is intolerable.

























Thank you for your mention. I’m currently waging war on another fat-legging-hating group that I found my picture on aswell.
They picked the wrong fat girl to fight with. I’m not taking their shit.
You’re welcome, and I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.
Peace,
Shannon
Edit: Note about my last comment.
My picture has been removed from the group since I pointed the copyright act at them and Facebook but the group still exists.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fat-chicks-in-leggings-Australia-says-no/116597188351714
Fuck them. We do not deserve this shit. Ladies, gentlemen, DO NOT let these haters get you down. You are beautiful, wear your leggings, hell, wear nothing if that makes you happy. NO ONE has the right to make you feel like shit. And I will fight to the death to defend my right to exist happily without hate. And I will fight for you aswell.
Devon, fat-nurse.com
xx
Keep fighting Devon. The only way we can change things is by fighting.
Peace,
Shannon
Ugh. Facebook is filled with immature lame asses. “Curvy girls are better than skinny girls!” has over a MILLION and a half members. It’s incredibly divisive.
Also I found the thing about gay/trans people not being protected interesting. Facebook is very fickle about what it allows: remember the controversy about not allowing breastfeeding pictures?
Luxe,
If they can’t make civil engagement a priority, then we need to pressure them to make it a priority. Fat girls trashing skinny chicks is no better than skinny chicks trashing fat chicks. Can’t we just have a “no trashing” policy?
Peace,
Shannon
Maybe we could start a letter writing campaign. It sounds cheesy, but people do listen to letters… Or at least a big fuss could be raised If the letter was expanded to include LGBTQ issues, we could them in on it and give it more credibility (I think people would be more likely to listen to their qualms than the concerns of the body acceptance movement).
I think including the LGBTQ community is a great idea except there is no gay hatred on Facebook. FB is essentially already censoring gay hatred (unless, by some miracle of St. Internet, all the gay haters in the world have left FB, which I doubt). But I think we can definitely make an appeal to them since their “safety” is at stake with such an arbitrary policy.
The group is the letter writing campaign and the more members we get, the more clout we will (hopefully) have. But, there’s still one surprise left for this week on this issue.
Peace,
Shannon
Oooh! I guess your fake anti-gay group didn’t catch their attention then?
I’ll keep up with the group then and we’ll see what happens.
I have come to the conclusion that Facebook can bring out the worst in people, just because it’s the internet and they think they’re anonymous. Hell, even family members post shit on FB that they should know shouldn’t be posted because it’s going to come back and bite them in the ass one day. My Facebook policy is “don’t post anything that you don’t want the whole world reading, and that includes your parents, your boss, and your clergy”.
The amount of vitriol that people spew on facebook is just daunting, and for facebook to allow it is unconscionable.
Our friend’s kid is like that. He talks trash to ME a grown up and acts as though he shouldn’t get in trouble for it. He does, of course, and I kick his ass with extreme prejudice for it. But then he goes and does it again. Dumbass.
Peace,
Shannon
I’m glad there’s someone out there willing to tilt at these windmills! Take ‘em on!
I admit to being a fairly lazy activist… but I love to see other people out there rattling cages like this!
Even the lazy activists can have a role to play. But enjoy the show in the meantime.
Peace,
Shannon
“Our job is to educate the unaware masses that treating fat people like shit is unacceptable and, by every standard conceivable, counterproductive to the ultimate goal of improving society’s health and welfare.”
THIS. And way to fuckin’ go on disembling the fat hate groups and emailing Facebook Lady. I dearly hope she gets back to you, even though we probably all know she wont.
I still haven’t heard back from her since last Thursday. I think this is a “ignore it and it will go away” situation. Well, the week ain’t over yet!
Peace,
Shannon
Wow, I didn’t realise one small skirmish with a bunch of intolerant and hateful people would be the catalyst for so much activism! This is amazing, I had no idea you’d coordinated a campaign against these awful groups.
Right on.
One person can change the world, and all that you, you know.
Natalie, you’re an inspiration. Keep defending your right to dress as you please and we’ll have your back.
Peace,
Shannon
Well struck.
Thanks.
Peace,
Shannon
Ugh, this is why I keep almost quitting Facebook. I defriended a large number of co-workers after they started joining fat hatred groups (among them was the group Natalie’s photo ended up in) and commenting on them. It’s so disheartening.
http://bargainfatshionista.blogspot.com
Somehow your comment wound up in the Spambox.
Don’t quit Facebook. Take a stand and continue letting people know that this is unacceptable. We have to speak up for ourselves because nobody else is going to.
Peace,
Shannon
I admire your tenacity Shannon, seriously. And this sort of endeavour is just as important as any academic thesis or research study or you-beaut blog post. It is ALL important because it is all reinforcing the idea that fatties are human too and we deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. As someone who knows what it is to be on your bad side ; ) I say keep fighthing the good fight!
Thanks Bri. The big difference is that when I get pissed at my allies, it’s only a matter of time before bygones are bygones. But if I’m pissed at some random asshole, I’m like a heat-seeking missile until they are destroyed.
And together, we form a formidable arsenal against all the fat haters in the world. Let’s kick some ass!
Peace,
Shannon
I just found this in my Google Reader (http://hoydenabouttown.com/20100629.7744/cyberstalking-throw-the-book-at-him/) and it makes me wonder if those fat hate speech groups on Facebook could be hit with the same brick as the stalkers…………….
Vesta,
I’ll look into it. I’m not sure about the practical applications, but it’s worth exploring.
Peace,
Shannon
Thank you for all this work. Fat hatred is so pervasive, so ugly, so harmful. I think it’s important for other activists as well, who are battling other forms of hate speech on Facebook. They seriously need to clarify that policy with regard to ‘protected persons’, for sure.
You’re welcome. Facebook is just a microcosm of society’s hatred for fat people, so it will be an interesting testing ground to see if we can start changing the rules of acceptable behavior in a forum where acceptable behavior is so malleable and flexible. It’s worth raising awareness, though.
Peace,
Shannon
In this day and age I still find it shocking that people can be so openly cruel and hateful toward others.
Good on ya’ Shannon for having the goods to take on the hate and bring a little of the funny with you.
Thanks for taking this up Shannon and to anyone who has joined in to help you with this fight.
I am not sure I have the sanity points at the moment to join in, but rest assured, the minute I’m up to it, I’m in.
that sad fact is that long after it is not okay to scream racist, sexist or homophobic things
fat people will continue to be picked on
which is pretty stupid for 2 reasons
1. in the western nations, we outnumber straight people
2 we also outweigh them
so, we have the numbers on our side by volume and count.
nina
Very true. So, should we just start tackling people who make snide comments about us in public?
I think I could get behind that.
Welcome!
Peace,
Shannon
Thank you for engineering the opportunity for a group effort. I admit I sometimes despair of making a difference myself: and I am not as eloquent as many fierce fatty-activists. Group activism does seem crucial to sway the socially-unaware norks of the world. Therefore having the chance to join groups and sign petitions is really great for indivuduals like me who care but can’t always find the right words to express.
Encouragement, strength, support, kudos and gratitude out to you and all the Fat Rights Posse (go, us!).
There’s a great song I keep humming: ‘From Little Things Big Things Grow’.
I’ll have to check out that song. Thank you for the encouragement. I’ve kind of felt like Fat Acceptance has had plenty of energy for a while and is getting a decent amount of press coverage (for better or worse), but there isn’t really a lot of on-the-ground activism for people to participate in. I think our society is evolving past the “public protests” that formed the foundation of the civil rights and women’s movements. The new activism is online. So to find a way to harness that energy is a challenge. This is sort of a Beta test of that theory. We’ll see how it goes.
Thanks for take part.
Peace,
Shannon